i have pics of the greddys at home, but im not going there tonight, so no love on that one. might post tommorrow just for the hell of it. but there is a HUGE difference in the bends between the greddy and stillen. but ive never even seen a pe system in person, so i have no idea how they compare. but i imagine the angles are different because i have a 2+2. whatever, atleast i dont have huge 5" tips anymore. now its not-so-huge 4" tips. maybe next time ill get the dual tips i actually want! one day, one day...